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This is my 3rd whole 30 and I am currently on day 8. I TOTALLY understand the magic, that you're not supposed to focus on scale, etc. I promise I get all that. I have seen the magic, the clear skin, etc and I love it. But what about the people who just genuinely need and want to lose weight and who just aren't seeing it? If it's not whole30 that will get me there, then do I need to try weight watchers?? I mean I get the point of whole30- but at some point, I would like to get rid of this tire around my mid section and it's just not budging and I am getting extremely frustrated:(

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I crossfit about 3-5 times a week (I would say its usually 4-5 but occasionally with work I drop to 3 days in which case I'll try to make up with a run):

Did my first whole30 in June 2012 - ate way too much fruit and didn't lose a pound but lost about 1 inch around my waist. felt great, looked great,etc and saw the magic.

Did my 2nd whole 30 in October- cut out fruit and sweet potato for 10 days where I finally managed to lose 5 pounds, and by day 30 I was a total of 5 pounds down and an additional 2 inches down on my waist. I extended whole 30 for an additional 10 days (minus a glass or two of wine) and somehow lost another 5 in those 10 days. my body fat went from 26% to 23% during this whole 30.

Over the holidays (nov-dec), went through some serious emotional stuff and ate my heart out unfortunately and put back on the 5 additional pounds I had lost in those last 10 days. So at this point was only down the first 5 I lost.

My gym was doing a whole 30 in January, so I started my 3rd one Jan 2nd and I haven't lost a pound since. Not budged on my waist either. I decided I'll cut out fruit and sweet potatoes, again to see if that will help and it hasnt. I'm just at the point where I understand this isnt about weight loss- but what if you really just want to lose some?! And everyone around you is dropping it on whole30,except you!? My boyfriend without working out at all has managed to lose 19 pounds just by eating what I cook

We log our meals at my gym, so I included a sample:

Breakfast: 3 eggs, cucumber
lunch: bowl of chili and 2 oz chicken breast, bunch of grape tomatoes
snack (pre-WOD): 2 eggs
dinner: about 4-6oz chicken breast with 1 avocado, bell pepper and onion wrapped in a few pure wraps; bunch of asparagus and broccoli

Breakfast: 3 eggs
Lunch: 2oz chicken with 1/2 avocado in a pure wrap, 1 bowl of chili, 1 tsp almond butter
Snack: 3oz carrots
Dinner: chicken shawarma salad, pint of grape tomatoes, cucumber

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how do you know you haven't lost weight LA? Have you been weighing yourself during your whole30? You know that's against the rules, right?

I would suggest you relax about that number (and quit weighing!). Lots of things effect your daily weight, and second guessing your hunger based on it is absolutely the wrong way to go.

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I did weigh. I know you are not supposed to but after that first whole30 where on my last day, I weighed and hadn't lost a pound I just didn't really want to see that again.

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Your issue may not be food. Good sleep and good recovery practices are critical to many people losing weight. Are you sleeping 8 or more hours every night? Are you recovering from workouts or are you chronically sore and tired?

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I think the value of doing a Whole30 is to begin seeing meat, fish, eggs, veggies, and fruit as the good stuff and to start thinking of everything else as an unavoidable evil that you have to deal with occasionally. 

 

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I think you need to get rid of your scale or give it away to someone to "hold" for you while you are on the Whole30. The stress of "will I lose weight or won't I?" will wreak SERIOUS havoc on your results. Also, how are you sleeping? Stress and lack of sleep are huge factors as well in this whole process and should not be discounted. Follow the plan, move your body, get good high quality sleep, and the weight WILL come off in time.
"There is nothing more to it than you and your decision and, from that point on, the decision to not change your mind."

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I definitely try to pay attention to the sleep and make sure I get usually about 9 hours a night (minimum 8). I feel sore occasionally from workouts but I take off if I need to when I'm too sore.

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You're doing too much intense activity, not eating enough carbohydrates, and stressing too much about your weight. It's a recipe for disaster...truly

Have your lifts/times on your workouts improved? Have you lost inches? YOU ARE LOSING FAT AND MAKING PROGRESS, even if you don't see those results on the scales.

What are your stats? i.e. how much weight do you feel you have to lose? If it's "not much" and it's more of a body comp thing for you, your results on the scale are going to be even less than you might like, unfortunately.

BUT THE SCALE DOESN"T MATTER! :)

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my workouts and lifts are actually not getting better. I want to bring back in sweet potato and fruit but am worried I won't drop any fat/weight if I do that. We did our max's this week and they have either stayed the same or gotten worse. I'm 5 '11' and 162 - I carry my weight all in my midsection.

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I also feel like sweet potato and fruit definitely bring out the sugar dragon. I will try to not stress about the weight part as much and see if that works?

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my workouts and lifts are actually not getting better. I want to bring back in sweet potato and fruit but am worried I won't drop any fat/weight if I do that. We did our max's this week and they have either stayed the same or gotten worse. I'm 5 '11' and 162 - I carry my weight all in my midsection.


Well there you go. Answer found.

You're already at a really healthy weight for your height, (it actually may be a smidge low, depending on genetics), but you're just carrying it in the wrong place/body comp. It's unrealistic to expect/want that number to drop very much. I'd really be more concerned with lifting heavy and changing your body comp.

Fat that's localized in the midsection is indicative of adrenal fatigue/overtraining. The fact that your lifts have NOT gone up is another check mark in that column.

Crossfitting as many times as you are in a week is a LOT of stress on its own; not giving your body an adequate amt of glucose/starch to help you recover from that is an added stressor. Then add in the stress of worrying about your weight, and your average "life/work" stress. It's a LOT. We can only handle so much before our body starts fighting back. The fact that you get 8-9 hours of sleep/night is AWESOME, but it's not enough.

Personally, I would add the sweet potato back in, just EAT more, and drop CF and activity to 2-3x/week. If you're worried about the sugar dragon, then just drop the activity level even further back.

I know it's scary and goes against everything we've ever been taught (i.e. this chick is telling me that to lose fat, i have to eat MORE and workout LESS?), but after 2 whole30s, your status quo isn't producing the results you want, right? If it doesn't work, you know how to get back to where you were.

AND STOP WORRYING ABOUT THE SCALE!

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wow thanks Renee! So just so I understand right, you're saying I should eat more sweet potato or eat more of the protein/fat I've been eating? Do you recommend adding back in fruit? And as far as dropping back the crossfit to 3 times a week...should I add in a day of just pure cardio on another day? I will try to wrap my head around exercising less but I would think that would just make me feel lazy? Nonetheless, i've tried everything so I might as well try this!

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I am not over weight but yes ALL of my weight is centered just in my mid section which just looks awful. I'm just curious but why would scaling back the work outs help with slaying the sugar dragon?

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Instead of doing a cardio workout, try something like yoga or Pilates. Not Bikram yoga, mind you, but something gentle.

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I think the value of doing a Whole30 is to begin seeing meat, fish, eggs, veggies, and fruit as the good stuff and to start thinking of everything else as an unavoidable evil that you have to deal with occasionally. 

 

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I am not over weight but yes ALL of my weight is centered just in my mid section which just looks awful. I'm just curious but why would scaling back the work outs help with slaying the sugar dragon?


Sorry. It wouldn't necessarily. I just meant if you were very nervous about adding sweet potatoes and triggering the sugar dragon, then you could alternatively only scale back the workouts, which would give your body a rest and require fewer carbs to fuel your efforts

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wow thanks Renee! So just so I understand right, you're saying I should eat more sweet potato or eat more of the protein/fat I've been eating? Do you recommend adding back in fruit? And as far as dropping back the crossfit to 3 times a week...should I add in a day of just pure cardio on another day? I will try to wrap my head around exercising less but I would think that would just make me feel lazy? Nonetheless, i've tried everything so I might as well try this!


You DEFINITELY need more starchy carbs. You probably need more food overall, though. I would never have guessed from your food log that you were 5'11", 165. I expected 5'5, 140 or smaller.

By "2-3x/wk," I mean intense exercise sessions, period. Replacing a day of CF with running doesn't change your activity level much.

Go for a walk/hike, do some gentle yoga like Tom suggested, take a bubble bath. Do whatever, just don't get sweaty. ;)

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you should totally give renee's recommendation a try. I was doing intense exercise 5x's a week for months while restricting calories. I lost a little weight but was miserable. I took 2 weeks off and dropped weight. Then I did a whole30 and did not exercise ONCE the entire month. I lost substantial weight. I was shocked. I'm not recommending stopping all of your physical activity. I think crossfit/high-intensity is great, but it is SO easy to overdo it.

Good luck! :)

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Jenny, that's actually great to hear, gives me some hope! I will definitely give it a try. So I will start scaling my crossfit workouts back to 2-3 times a week and eat carbs maybe just on those days? or not at all? I will also do something to try to ease more stress like yoga maybe once or twice a week. I will let you guys know how it goes! Thank you for your advice.

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Eat post workout carbs, woman!!

Jenny, that's actually great to hear, gives me some hope! I will definitely give it a try. So I will start scaling my crossfit workouts back to 2-3 times a week and eat carbs maybe just on those days? or not at all? I will also do something to try to ease more stress like yoga maybe once or twice a week. I will let you guys know how it goes! Thank you for your advice.



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Sorry to go back to this. I just am trying to wrap my brain around how this theory works. I understand that people have said they lost weight by reducing their exercise, but I would think the weight loss would probably just be muscle weight, wouldn't it? From a purely calories in and calories out perspective, it wouldnt make sense,right? How could you lose weight (burn more calories) when you are not burning more calories? Maybe you know more background that can make me understand how reducing exercise would help you lose the extra fat in the midsection.

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Cortisol has a TON to do with weight loss (or lack thereof), and you know what makes cortisol skyrocket? Stress. Over-training puts a huge amount of stress on your body. And it's really not as simple as calories in, calories out. Someone else in one of the different forums said it perfectly: calories in/out doesn't take your hormones into consideration, and that is ultimately what determines how those calories are burned. If you're stressed and keep on stressing, your hormones will continue to be whacked out.

You're doing everything you can nutrition-wise (once you add in those oh-so-important carbs). I would highly suggest giving yourself this whole30 to try a different approach. Relax and give yourself permission to experiment. If it doesn't work, you'll know, and then you have that much more information and help along your way.

I can tell you're super anxious about this, and I really understand. But stressing about it and not giving yourself the freedom to try a new way is potentially sabotaging your efforts. It will take some getting used to, but you can totally do it!!





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